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Title: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 25, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
So does anyone ever heard of this game: Plants Vs. Zombies?

Then, you'd be glad to hear that the sequel is coming...
(http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/06/Plants-vs-Zombies-2-1.jpg)
 (http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/06/Plants-vs-Zombies-2-1.jpg)
PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES 2: IT'S ABOUT TIME!
(I know, the name sucks: 'It's about time')
The game was made by a company called 'Popcap', until EA bought it.
Btw, it was a PC game, but its sequel has been released on IOS first, PC coming soon...

...And for our FPS lovers...
(http://www.xblafans.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/08/maxresdefault.jpg)
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(http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/06/PvZ-Garden-Warfare-copy.jpg) (http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/06/PvZ-Garden-Warfare-copy.jpg)
PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES: GARDEN WARFARE
The developers showed this game at E3, search for the video on Youtube.

Just do a google search for more info and...
Sorry for not scaling the images... I'm very lazy.
(Edit: Nevermind, scaled it.)

But why am I telling this?
Because I'M CRRRRAAAAAAZZZZZYYYYYYY!!!!!!


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Subscriber01236 on August 25, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
I enjoyed this post so much i went in my time machine to go back in time and relive it again.
I ended up in Ancient Egypt though :c
Love PvZ 1 and 2
And Garden Warfare looks like an interesting take on modern shooters (even if it does smell suspiciously like TF2 with the Zombie classes)


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 25, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
I enjoyed this post so much i went in my time machine to go back in time and relive it again.
I ended up in Ancient Egypt though :c
Love PvZ 1 and 2
And Garden Warfare looks like an interesting take on modern shooters (even if it does smell suspiciously like TF2 with the Zombie classes)
Thanks! Good to know that other people have played this game as well!
You have a mobile? Lucky. I don't, still waiting for the PC version to come.
I wasn't interested in Garden Warfare much, until I saw the gameplay...
Yeah, it seems to be a lot like TF2 (with Zombies ofcourse, I mean ZOM-BEES!).


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Subscriber01236 on August 25, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
I enjoyed this post so much i went in my time machine to go back in time and relive it again.
I ended up in Ancient Egypt though :c
Love PvZ 1 and 2
And Garden Warfare looks like an interesting take on modern shooters (even if it does smell suspiciously like TF2 with the Zombie classes)
Thanks! Good to know that other people have played this game as well!
You have a mobile? Lucky. I don't, still waiting for the PC version to come.
I wasn't interested in Garden Warfare much, until I saw the gameplay...
Yeah, it seems to be a lot like TF2 (with Zombies ofcourse, I mean ZOM-BEES!).
Np PvZ won awards for a reason :P
And no My whole family does but not me so i use my sisters Ipad to (when she lets me) or i watch her playe PvZ 2
And same here i thought it was gonna be another Generic FPS cashin...
THE ZOMBIES... ARE COMING!


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 25, 2013, 12:55:58 PM
I enjoyed this post so much i went in my time machine to go back in time and relive it again.
I ended up in Ancient Egypt though :c
Love PvZ 1 and 2
And Garden Warfare looks like an interesting take on modern shooters (even if it does smell suspiciously like TF2 with the Zombie classes)
Thanks! Good to know that other people have played this game as well!
You have a mobile? Lucky. I don't, still waiting for the PC version to come.
I wasn't interested in Garden Warfare much, until I saw the gameplay...
Yeah, it seems to be a lot like TF2 (with Zombies ofcourse, I mean ZOM-BEES!).
Np PvZ won awards for a reason :P
And no My whole family does but not me so i use my sisters Ipad to (when she lets me) or i watch her playe PvZ 2
And same here i thought it was gonna be another Generic FPS cashin...
THE ZOMBIES... ARE COMING!
But still you know, hard to guess if this community plays...
READY... STEADY... PLANT!


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Known & Unknown on August 25, 2013, 02:34:58 PM
I am still disgusted by what EA is doing with this game. A facebook game? Check. Free game on iOS only that lets you pay money for better plants? Check. They are making as many games as they can about it so they can cash in on the PVZ fanbase. This is pretty much what they do with all things they acquire. I don't think anybody should support this, whether the games are fun or not.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Subscriber01236 on August 25, 2013, 03:32:50 PM
I am still disgusted by what EA is doing with this game. A facebook game? Check. Free game on iOS only that lets you pay money for better plants? Check. They are making as many games as they can about it so they can cash in on the PVZ fanbase. This is pretty much what they do with all things they acquire. I don't think anybody should support this, whether the games are fun or not.
I agree with all of this.
Even though i want the PvZ franchise to stay alive i refuse to pay a single cent towards this.
If it continues this way when it comes to PC then i have lost any piece of hope that EA wont make the series another F2P series
Also It is free probably because most people who play games on Ipad mostly download freeone's like i think in the top 20 games 19 of them are F2P.
And atleast you can get nearly every plant in the game for free but i hate how you need to get stars or pay to get the next area as i can't be bothered to grind for keys and stars to get to the next world turning what should be a fun game dull and boring.
Other than those issues it is a good game


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Skoke on August 25, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Ill check out the PvZ 2 game

But a FPS sounds bad. Just trying to squeeze more money out of the fanbase. Ill just keep my TF2 and not bother playing garden warfare


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 25, 2013, 10:38:35 PM
I am still disgusted by what EA is doing with this game. A facebook game? Check. Free game on iOS only that lets you pay money for better plants? Check. They are making as many games as they can about it so they can cash in on the PVZ fanbase. This is pretty much what they do with all things they acquire. I don't think anybody should support this, whether the games are fun or not.
I'm disgusted of EA as well, they made PvZ 2 a freemium ios game and they also made a facebook game called: PvZ Adventures, to loot people's money. They'll make like those shitty mobile game where the devs just make a new game with the name in it and YAY money!

Even though i want the PvZ franchise to stay alive i refuse to pay a single cent towards this.
If it continues this way when it comes to PC then i have lost any piece of hope that EA wont make the series another F2P series
Also It is free probably because most people who play games on Ipad mostly download freeone's like i think in the top 20 games 19 of them are F2P.
And atleast you can get nearly every plant in the game for free but i hate how you need to get stars or play to get the next area as i can't be bothered to grind for keys and stars to get to the next world turning what should be a fun game dull and boring.
Other than those issues it is a good game
Nor will I. A premium plants costs $2.99. Who's gonna buy that?
Plus, those were really important and cool plants (like Snow Pea and TorchWood) which were free on the original PvZ.
I don't know that feeling, since I haven't played the sequel, but it sure sounds bad, they're making it a game like Angry Birds, by adding the staring system and In-App Purchases.

A FPS sounds bad. Just trying to squeeze more money out of the fanbase. Ill just keep my TF2 and not bother playing garden warfare.
Actually, it's more like CoD. IIRC, it's made in the same engine that was used in the making of CoD. The game sounds a bit childish, but you might give a look at its gameplay here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYjUrHOY7A4).


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 26, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
The fact that the playable plants walk's just saying something.  :o

...then again, thinking about it, the almanac entries in the first game implies that the plants could get from place to place at will, as it shows that they have personal lives (how is the starfruit supposed to get to the dentist in the first place?), so it isn't TOO out of place.

Anyway, I wouldn't judge a game from a company.

Who knows? Perhaps these two would sell well, despite the former being a free game (with payed content), and the latter has to bend the rules when it comes to the biology of plants.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Arucard on August 27, 2013, 12:56:02 AM
I had to pay for the first on my phone...


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 27, 2013, 01:27:47 AM
I had to pay for the first on my phone...

That wouldn't make this game any less fun.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Arucard on August 27, 2013, 02:19:11 AM
It is fun, just disturbing that everybody says it's free when I had to pay $5 for it, know what I mean? Of course they also have the original Final Fantasy on there for a ridiculous amount so, there ya go.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 27, 2013, 07:43:12 AM
I had to pay for the first on my phone...

It is fun, just disturbing that everybody says it's free when I had to pay $5 for it, know what I mean? Of course they also have the original Final Fantasy on there for a ridiculous amount so, there ya go.
Good games cost money!
They are making us indirectly buy it when we're purchasing premium plants.

Free to play, pay to win.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 27, 2013, 09:35:55 AM
I had to pay for the first on my phone...

It is fun, just disturbing that everybody says it's free when I had to pay $5 for it, know what I mean? Of course they also have the original Final Fantasy on there for a ridiculous amount so, there ya go.
Good games cost money!
They are making us indirectly buy it when we're purchasing premium plants.

Free to play, pay to win.

What about the original Spelunky, the original Cave Story, the original La Mulana, Iji, etc. ?

They're all free, you know, and they're great games.

Team Fortress 2 is also free, and it's possible to buy addons in it (in a form of weapons and hats).

So is the Android version of Angry Birds and its spinoff Bad Piggies (free to pay, but you can buy the ability to turn off the ads, as well as obtain powerups).


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Known & Unknown on August 27, 2013, 10:35:32 AM
Team Fortress 2 is also free, and it's possible to buy addons in it (in a form of weapons and hats).
That's really different from this - hats do nothing and the weapons are fairly easy to get. They also are nearly all either sidegrades or downgrades from stock weapons anyway.
So is the Android version of Angry Birds and its spinoff Bad Piggies (free to pay, but you can buy the ability to turn off the ads, as well as obtain powerups).
Angry Birds is pay to win garbage at this point. Those "powerups" are overpowered.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 27, 2013, 10:51:54 AM
I had to pay for the first on my phone...

It is fun, just disturbing that everybody says it's free when I had to pay $5 for it, know what I mean? Of course they also have the original Final Fantasy on there for a ridiculous amount so, there ya go.
Good games cost money!
They are making us indirectly buy it when we're purchasing premium plants.

Free to play, pay to win.

What about the original Spelunky, the original Cave Story, the original La Mulana, Iji, etc. ?

They're all free, you know, and they're great games.

Team Fortress 2 is also free, and it's possible to buy addons in it (in a form of weapons and hats).

So is the Android version of Angry Birds and its spinoff Bad Piggies (free to pay, but you can buy the ability to turn off the ads, as well as obtain powerups).
I didn't mean it has to always...

That isn't what EA is doing...
They're making it a game like those facebook/mobile games.
You have to pay for most of the incredible features. In some places, if you don't pay, you have wait a century to go just to complete a simple task.

As Known said, those Power-ups are extremely over-powered. The one who pays gets more score, (sarcasm 'on') pretty fair, I guess(sarcasm 'off'). It was good when there wasn't Power-ups. They're even ruining Bad Piggies with power-ups, the only Rovio game I liked. And they are doing it just for money.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 27, 2013, 01:46:54 PM
You haven't even tried it.

I'll only accept opinions of people who'll play the game in order to tell whenever the game's good or not.

And even then, I'll only accept it if they're not being biased against the reputation of the company.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: hyperme on August 27, 2013, 02:27:09 PM
You haven't even tried it.

I'll only accept opinions of people who'll play the game in order to tell whenever the game's good or not.

And even then, I'll only accept it if they're not being biased against the reputation of the company.

I hate you so much right now.

It's a cold hate. Maybe more of a disdain?


Anyhow, putting aside frozen hatred, EA gonna EA. Tautologies! But seriously, ugh premium content. Just sell the game, don't bleed out people's wallets via 'optional' features needed to win. Especially if it's one of these 'buy 300000 suunbobs for $10' things where the stuff you buy doesn't even last.

If you must sell stuff, do the KoL method. Your purchase gives you a thing that is useful, which can be traded for other useful things.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Known & Unknown on August 27, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
You haven't even tried it.
I have seen gameplay, and know exactly what they are doing. I have also tried another one of their "free to play" games (Need For Speed World) and have no trouble believing they will do everything in their power to fuck us over.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 28, 2013, 01:14:23 AM
You haven't even tried it.
I expect it's directed to me.
I have tried enough similar games with premium content like this.
And it isn't hard to guess that EA will do the same thing being PvZ 2 has become a mobile game.

I'll only accept opinions of people who'll play the game in order to tell whenever the game's good or not.
There's already much hate about the game because EA is:
  • Making the game freemium.
  • Releasing it first on Ios, even though it was a PC game.
  • Tons of IAPs. The one who pays more, gets the game easy, removing fair gameplay.
  • Making all the normal and good plants like Snow Pea, TorchWood, premium plants.

And even then, I'll only accept it if they're not being biased against the reputation of the company.
I'm not judging the game by the company. We're blaming the company for doing crappy things with the game. We're just using examples to show what EA can do and had done.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 28, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.

IE, Hyperme (I don't understand WHY you're hating me when I'm just stating what I think, and thus, wouldn't apply to you unless you share my point of view {you don't} ), Known & Unknown AND Blaze06h.

What I've said to Hyperme here applies to you guys as well (IE, my opinion wouldn't apply to you unless you're sharing my point of view), except for wondering why you're hating me. :P


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 28, 2013, 02:27:00 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.
We have played the original game after all...
The gameplay is alright, the problem is EA is doing crappy things to earn money.
They telling the game is free, but actually they're making even more money than the actual price of the game through IAPs.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 28, 2013, 03:58:41 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.
We have played the original game after all...
The gameplay is alright, the problem is EA is doing crappy things to earn money.
They telling the game is free, but actually they're making even more money than the actual price of the game through IAPs.

I meant the new games, not just the original.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: hyperme on August 28, 2013, 04:02:54 AM
What I've said to Hyperme here applies to you guys as well (IE, my opinion wouldn't apply to you unless you're sharing my point of view), except for wondering why you're hating me. :P

Because you lack any kind of pattern recognition, perform horrible logical contortions to pretend everyone is nice and cannot (or refuse to) understand the viewpoints of others. You then decide, despite the third point, that you still have every right to judge us using your desecration of logic. And worst of all, you prattle on and on about everything like you are some kind of expert, even when you know nothing about the topic at hand

There. I said it. Happy now?


Anyhow there are strong trends of EA using premium content as a pay to win mechanic, and I see no evidence that this game will be different.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 28, 2013, 04:22:43 AM
Anyhow there are strong trends of EA using premium content as a pay to win mechanic, and I see no evidence that this game will be different.

Who says the game developers won't make the game fun despite the use of premiun content?

Anyway, I'll repeat what I've said: My opinion won't apply to you unless you share it.

So go ahead and hate the game despite not even trying it.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 28, 2013, 04:26:30 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.
We have played the original game after all...
The gameplay is alright, the problem is EA is doing crappy things to earn money.
They telling the game is free, but actually they're making even more money than the actual price of the game through IAPs.

I meant the new games, not just the original.
The core gameplay is same... whatever is changed can be judged by knowing.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 28, 2013, 05:17:57 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.
We have played the original game after all...
The gameplay is alright, the problem is EA is doing crappy things to earn money.
They telling the game is free, but actually they're making even more money than the actual price of the game through IAPs.

I meant the new games, not just the original.
The core gameplay is same... whatever is changed can be judged by knowing.

Good point, but that doesn't mean that "whatever is changed" is bad.

Look at Windows 8, for example.

People often decry it for the stuff that is changed, but many who liked Windows 8 state that these people haven't even tried the operating system (or even didn't get used to it).

Me, I'd say it's a love-it-or-hate-it item. I love it. My dad doesn't.

I respect your opinion, but that doesn't stop me from trying to make you think about it. :P

(And no, I'm not trying to be a devil's advocate, as I'm not arguing for the sake of argument).


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 28, 2013, 06:03:28 AM
I'm talking to everyone who claims to know the gameplay without personally playing the game themselves.
We have played the original game after all...
The gameplay is alright, the problem is EA is doing crappy things to earn money.
They telling the game is free, but actually they're making even more money than the actual price of the game through IAPs.

I meant the new games, not just the original.
The core gameplay is same... whatever is changed can be judged by knowing.

Good point, but that doesn't mean that "whatever is changed" is bad.

Look at Windows 8, for example.

People often decry it for the stuff that is changed, but many who liked Windows 8 state that these people haven't even tried the operating system (or even didn't get used to it).

Me, I'd say it's a love-it-or-hate-it item. I love it. My dad doesn't.

I respect your opinion, but that doesn't stop me from trying to make you think about it. :P

(And no, I'm not trying to be a devil's advocate, as I'm not arguing for the sake of argument).
No, I don't mean whatever is changed is bad, I said whatever is changed can be judged by knowing what it is...
For example, I like the new plant food system but don't like the huge money involvement in the game as premium content(IAPs). Both are new, one of which I like and the other I don't. I'm not saying that I hate new things.

IMO, if there's something new, some people will like it, others won't, and some of the new items/features would be good and others would be bad. The opinion changes from person to person.

An argument doesn't always mean it's a fight. :)


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Known & Unknown on August 28, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Anyhow there are strong trends of EA using premium content as a pay to win mechanic, and I see no evidence that this game will be different.
This. So much this.
Like I mentioned, they did this with NFS World also (you can buy MUCH better cars, power ups, upgrades, etc.)
Have you played it even Karjam? Because if you haven't, maybe you should follow your own advice and stop thinking you know how the game works.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: KarjamP on August 29, 2013, 12:59:31 AM
Have you played it even Karjam? Because if you haven't, maybe you should follow your own advice and stop thinking you know how the game works.

I'm not.

At least not deliberately.

All I'm saying is that "Don't judge a book by its cover", the cover being what EA's infamous for.


Title: Re: Plants Vs. Zombies 2
Post by: Whooper1222 on August 29, 2013, 06:28:45 AM
Enough arguing, now go on...
Nothing to see here...